Moć Izraela, propaganda i promjena globalne naracije: Razgovor o cionističkoj strategiji i otporu

Croatian Kim Iversen

Israeli strategy and geopolitical powerGaza conflict and civilian casualtiesIsraeli propaganda and HasbaraIran, Hezbollah, and the axis of resistanceGlobal narrative shift and public opinion

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Ovaj razgovor istražuje izraelske strateške sposobnosti, teritorijalne ambicije i globalni utjecaj, uz kritičku procjenu izraelske propagande (Hasbara) tijekom nedavnog rata u Gazi. Govornik se prisjeća posjeta Palestini i Izraelu 2019. godine, gdje je zaključio da je Izrael na putu da postane regionalno carstvo. Raspravlja o teoriji 'Pax Judaica'—predviđenom globalnom poretku pod vodstvom Izraela—i tvrdi da, unatoč izraelskoj obavještajnoj sposobnosti i nemilosrdnosti, njihova propaganda nije uspjela opravdati sukob pred globalnom publikom. Ključna prekretnica, tvrdi govornik, je nedavni vojni sukob s Iranom, koji karakterizira kao stratešku pogrešku Izraela i prekretnicu u preokretanju desetljeća zapadnog demoniziranja Irana i Hezbollaha. Govornik primjećuje značajne promjene u javnom mnijenju, posebno među mladim Amerikancima, mladim Židovima u dijaspori i populacijama diljem svijeta, koji su sve kritičniji prema izraelskim akcijama u Gazi. Naglašava da, iako je Izrael oslabio svoju meku moć i vojno zakazao, osovina otpora je stekla kredibilitet i podršku, pozicionirajući se kao protivnik genocida dok ga zapadni saveznici podržavaju. Govornik zaključuje da, iako su teške godine pred nama, izraelski režim suočava se s ozbiljnim dugoročnim problemima.

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A geopolitical analysis examining Israeli strategic power, the effectiveness of Israeli propaganda during the Gaza conflict, and how the war has become a turning point in shifting global and regional narratives against the Israeli regime and toward the axis of resistance.

Summary

This conversation explores Israeli strategic capabilities, territorial ambitions, and global influence, alongside a critical assessment of Israeli propaganda (Hasbara) during the recent war in Gaza. The speaker reflects on a 2019 visit to Palestine and Israel, where he concluded that Israel was poised to become a regional empire. He discusses the theory of 'Pax Judaica'—a predicted Israeli-led global order—and argues that despite Israeli intelligence and ruthlessness, their propaganda has failed to justify the conflict to a global audience. A key turning point, the speaker contends, is the recent military conflict with Iran, which he characterises as a strategic miscalculation by Israel and a watershed moment in reversing decades of Western demonisation of Iran and Hezbollah. The speaker notes significant shifts in public opinion, particularly among young Americans, young Jews in the diaspora, and populations worldwide, who are increasingly critical of Israeli actions in Gaza. He emphasises that while Israel has eroded its soft power and failed militarily, the axis of resistance has gained credibility and support, positioning itself as opposed to genocide while Western allies support it. The speaker concludes that although difficult years lie ahead, the Israeli regime faces serious long-term trouble.

Key takeaways

The speaker characterises Israeli leadership as strategically ruthless and intelligent, with a clear territorial and imperial agenda, but notes that this power is now being undermined by military miscalculation and loss of soft power.
Israeli propaganda (Hasbara) has been ineffective not because of Israeli stupidity, but because it underestimates global audiences; the speaker argues people worldwide are now seeing through the narratives that have demonised Iran for 47 years.
The recent war with Iran marked a strategic turning point: Israel miscalculated expecting rapid victory, roughly 90% of Israelis now believe they lost the conflict, and this has shifted global perception of both Israel and the axis of resistance.
Young populations globally—including young Americans and diaspora Jews—have turned against the Israeli regime, particularly in response to documented killings in Gaza broadcast on camera without apparent concern for civilian casualties.
The speaker argues that the axis of resistance has gained moral and strategic credibility precisely because it opposes genocide while Western allies support Israeli military actions, reversing decades of anti-Iran propaganda.
Despite Israeli control of media, AI capabilities, and other technological advantages, these have not prevented widespread global outrage over the Gaza conflict and a fundamental shift in how Israel is perceived.
The speaker predicts difficult years ahead but believes the Israeli regime faces serious long-term structural trouble and that the axis of resistance will not fail or collapse.

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On Israeli Power and Strategic Intent

I think that the Zionists are incredibly powerful and incredibly intelligent. I don't think that they need the US in the long term, though they do need it right now. But I think they're quite crafty, and they're getting a lot of people around the world in their pocket. One thing that should be obvious to a lot of Americans is what happened when Trump announced the first draft of a peace deal—saying they had signed it digitally and would go to Switzerland to sign it officially. When he announced this, you saw all these Zionists completely turn on him. He was their hero the day before, and the next day he was trash, filth, the worst, a traitor to the Israeli people, to Zionists, to Jews. That's what the narratives were online. My thought was, well, of course they turned on him, because one thing the Israelis have proven is that they look out for themselves, and frankly, I can't blame them. I'm not going to blame them for looking out for their country, for being Israel first. I wish the United States were truly America first—we obviously aren't. But Israel very much is.

The minute somebody becomes their enemy, they're on their hit list. And the US will very quickly become number one on Israel's hit list if the United States turns against Israel. I'm sure Israel has backup plans for who they turn to next and where they go next. I think they're very, very ruthless. One thing I noticed when I visited in 2019—I spent about ten days in Palestine, the West Bank, and Israel—was that I left thinking Israel would be the next empire. I literally walked away feeling that way. They are ruthless, extremely intelligent, and they have an agenda. When a group has a goal like that and they're fervently going after it, it's very difficult to stop that momentum. I walked away thinking it's inevitable.

I definitely cited and definitely felt sympathy for the Palestinian people, but I also felt like it was inevitable that the Israelis are going to win and that they're actually going to be an empire. They're not just going to take over Palestine; they're building an empire over there.

The Theory of Pax Judaica and Global Control

Fast forward to today, and I want to ask you about Professor Jiang out of China. He has been saying and predicting Pax Judaica—and he articulated basically verbally what I felt when I was over there in 2019. There is a rise of an empire upon us. They have figured out how to control the world. Now, people say that's like some sort of antisemitic conspiracy theory, but it's not—if it's true. They've figured out how to control a lot of industry now, AI, and they're trying to embed themselves with the US military. There are other things they're doing in other countries. So I just think that Pax Judaica, unfortunately, is inevitable. I don't know how to stop that. That's how it feels to me—it feels inevitable.

I haven't actually watched him say this about Pax Judaica. I know he was on your show, but I've been so busy with Iran and the axis of resistance and the war that I haven't been focusing too much on Russia or other issues and his material as well. Hopefully I'll try to watch more of what he says.

On Intelligence and Propaganda

I would disagree with you on there being very intelligent. When I look at the propaganda and the Hasbara that we've been seeing over the past three years, I mean, God forbid if I was a Zionist in charge, I would send all of those people who are doing Hasbara for the Israeli regime to Gaza—not with their soldiers, but with the Palestinians. So they're obviously very ignorant and very foolish. Their propaganda—it's almost impossible to justify a holocaust and genocide and the systematic slaughter of women and children, but I think it could have been done better than that.

I agree that their propaganda is terrible, but not because they're naive or idiots or not intelligent. I think it's because they think we're that stupid. I think they believe we're so dumb we'll believe this. Well, that's the problem they have—it means we're actually smarter than they think. And not just us, but anti-Zionist Jews, anti-Zionist Christians, Muslims, Hindus, whatever. People across the world are waking up. I mentioned the poll that Max Blumenthal was talking about, and it shows that their propaganda isn't working.

The War as a Turning Point

I think this war has been a major turning point. They launched this war expecting or hoping to defeat Iran within days. Last year at this time was the twelve-day war, the anniversary of it. They miscalculated then, and they miscalculated this year. Now Netanyahu is in deep trouble. According to polls, roughly ninety percent of Israelis believe that they lost the war against Iran. When I look at how young Americans and young Jews in the United States and how people across the world have turned against the Israeli regime, I grow much more optimistic about the future. I'm not naive—I think we're going to have dark days and months and perhaps years ahead, and the regime is not going to relent. But I do believe that the axis of resistance is the hope for this region, and I think people are waking up to what the axis of resistance is doing.

The United States, the Israelis, the Zionists, the Western media, and their think tanks have been very successful in demonizing Iran and Hezbollah for forty-seven years. Iran was portrayed as an evil regime, corrupt, with mad mullahs, a theocracy, despotic, falling apart, illegitimate, hated by the people. And people believed it. Even very open-minded people who don't trust Western media and have come to Iran are often very surprised at the difference between reality and the narrative. But now, after forty-seven years, that has collapsed. People across the world are rooting for Iran. During the first week or two of the war, friends of mine across the world were very worried that the Israelis would win. Then, to their amazement, Iran won, and everyone was rooting for Iran. Now people see through the propaganda and they say to themselves, well, if the Iranians are really all that horrible, why is it that they are the ones opposed to genocide while the good guys are all supporting genocide?

The Erosion of Israeli Power

They have wrecked their soft power. They have not succeeded militarily. The economy in the United States and the West is going downhill. They are not the only ones who have AI. There's a country called China which seems to be doing pretty good. They don't waste money waging war here and there.

There is obviously an attempt to create an empire for the Zionist regime, which would be the most brutal and barbaric probably in human history, because they actually carry out genocide in front of cameras and they don't care. In the past, people would carry out genocide and probably not pretend that they're civilized, or they would hide the fact that they're carrying out atrocities. The Nazis, for example—I would assume many Germans living somewhere else in Germany would not know what's going on in concentration camps. But today, they just kill people on camera. I saw a clip of a teenager going to school, apparently a top student. They just killed her. A drone—the guy said let's kill this girl. That's what they're doing every day, and they don't care. Western media doesn't care. We're living in very unique times. But the outrage across the world is real. AI capabilities and their ownership of the media have not changed the mood of people across the world, including young Jews in the United States.

I think the axis of resistance is not going to fail. I don't think it's going to break up. I would encourage your audience to read the books I mentioned about Iran. The Israeli regime is in serious trouble, but there's going to be a very difficult few years ahead for the world and for the region.

Topics#Israeli strategy and geopolitical power#Gaza conflict and civilian casualties#Israeli propaganda and Hasbara#Iran, Hezbollah, and the axis of resistance#Global narrative shift and public opinion#Israeli soft power erosion#Pax Judaica theory#Western media and demonisation of Iran

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0:04 Mislim da su cionisti nevjerojatno moćni, nevjerojatno inteligentni.

0:07 ne mislite da im je potrebna Amerika. Ja

0:09 misle da im je potrebna Amerika

0:11 sada, ali mislim da su prilično snalažljivi

0:13 i da dobivaju, dobivaju

0:15 puno ljudi, znate, mislim

0:16 oko njih je puno ljudi

0:18 svijet u svom džepu. I mislim da

0:19 oni znaju da mislim da je to jedna stvar koja

0:21 trebalo bi biti stvarno očito, volio bih da jest

0:24 mnogo Amerikanaca je to stvarno očito

0:26 čim je Trump objavio prvi, uh

0:28 nacrt onoga što kaže, u redu, ovo ovo

0:30 imamo dogovor, potpisali smo ga digitalno

0:32 idemo u Švicarsku, mi ćemo

0:33 potpisati to tamo, znaš kada je

0:35 kada je to objavio i vidio si sve

0:37 te cioniste kako se potpuno okreću

0:39 njemu, znaš, bio je njihov heroj dan

0:40 prije, a onda je sljedeći dan bio

0:42 smeće, bio je prljav, bio je najgori,

0:44 bio je izdajica izraelskom narodu,

0:46 cionistima, Židovima, mislim, to su

0:48 bile naracije na mreži i to

0:50 je bilo i moj je misao bila, pa da,

0:52 naravno da su se okrenuli protiv njih,

0:55 jer jedna stvar koju su Izraelci dokazali

0:57 je da su za sebe, kao što bi i trebali

0:59 biti. Mislim, stvarno ih ne mogu kriviti.

1:00 Mislim, neću ih kriviti za to.

1:02 gledajući na svoju zemlju zbog

1:04 Izraela prvo. Želim da Sjedinjene Države

1:06 budu zaista Amerika prvo. Mi

1:08 očigledno nismo. Ali Izrael itekako jest.

1:11 I u trenutku kada netko postane njihov

1:13 neprijatelj, znate, oni su zapravo na

1:15 njihovoj listi za odstrel i

1:16 to je to. A SAD će brzo, vrlo

1:19 brzo postati, znate, broj jedan,

1:21 cilj broj jedan na Izraelovoj listi za odstrel.

1:24 ako se Sjedinjene Države okrenu protiv

1:26 Izraela. I siguran sam da Izrael ima podršku

1:28 planova, dobro, kome se okreću

1:30 sljedeće? Gdje idu sljedeće? Mislim

1:32 da su vrlo, vrlo nemilosrdni. Jedna stvar

1:33 koju sam primijetio dok sam bio tamo, um,

1:35 kada sam posjetio 2019.,

1:39 otišao sam u Palestinu, otišao sam na Zapadnu

1:41 Obalu, a također sam otišao u Izrael, i

1:44 otišao sam odatle. Bio sam tamo

1:45 prije otprilike 10 dana i otišao sam razmišljajući,

1:47 "Da, uh uh moj dojam je da je ova

1:51 zemlja, Izrael, sljedeće

1:54 carstvo." Doslovno sam otišao osjećajući

1:57 se tako. Oni su bezobzirni. Oni su

1:59 bezobzirni i izuzetno su inteligentni i

2:02 imaju agendu koja je, znate,

2:04 i kada grupa ima takav

2:08 cilj i strastveno su

2:10 posvećeni tome.

2:14 ići za tim, vrlo je teško

2:16 zaustaviti taj zamah.

2:18 I tako sam otišao misleći da je to

2:20 neizbježno. Definitivno sam citirao i

2:23 definitivno osjećao suosjećanje za

2:25 palestinski narod, ali sam također imao osjećaj

2:27 da je neizbježno da će Izraelci

2:30 pobijediti i da će oni

2:31 zapravo postati carstvo. Ne samo

2:33 da će preuzeti Palestinu,

2:35 Tamo grade carstvo.

2:36 Brzo do danas, jeste li

2:38 upoznati s profesorom Jiangom iz

2:40 Kine? Znaš, on je tada govorio

2:43 i predviđao PAX Judeica.

2:47 I zapravo je usmeno izrazio

2:49 ono što sam osjećao dok sam bio tamo

2:51 2019. godine, a to je da se

2:54 naše carstvo uzdiže. Shvatili su

2:57 kako kontrolirati svijet. Mislim, ljudi

2:59 kažem da je to neka vrsta

3:00 antisemitske teorije zavjere, ali nije.

3:02 Mislim, ako je to istina. Dakle, znate,

3:04 shvatili su kako kontrolirati puno

3:06 industrije, sada AI pokušava ugraditi

3:09 sebe u američku vojsku. Ima i

3:11 druge stvari koje rade u

3:12 drugim zemljama. I mislim da

3:14 je Pax Judeica, nažalost,

3:16 neizbježna. Mislim, ne znam. Ja

3:19 ne znam kako to zaustaviti. Tako

3:21 se osjećam. Čini se kao da je

3:23 neizbježno. Zanimljivo mi je što mislite

3:24 o teoriji profesora Jianga ili

3:27 predikciji Pax Judeica.

3:30 >> Ja

3:32 nisam

3:33 gledao

3:36 gledao sam ga dva ili tri puta. Um,

3:39 i uh, čini se da je vrlo

3:41 inteligentna osoba. Zapravo nisam

3:44 uh, gledao kako to govori. Znam da je bio

3:46 na vašem showu, ali uh, znate, bio sam

3:48 tako zauzet s Iranom i pristupom

3:52 otpora i ratom i tako dalje da

3:54 nisam previše obraćao pažnju na Rusiju

3:56 ili ili znate, druge probleme i kao i

3:59 njegov materijal također. Nadam se da ću

4:00 pokušati gledati više onoga što govori.

4:04 Prvo, ovdje bih se neslagao

4:06 s tobom u vezi s tim da postoji vrlo

4:07 inteligentno. Mislim, kada pogledam

4:10 propagandu i Haspar koju smo

4:13 vidjeli u posljednje 3 godine, uh ja

4:16 mislim, Bože sačuvaj, ako bih bio cionista

4:18 i bio na vlasti, uh poslao bih

4:24 sve te ljude

4:26 koji rade hospicij za izraelski

4:28 režim u Gazu. Uh ne s

4:31 njihovim vojnicima, nego s

4:32 Palestinci. Pa, mislim da su oni

4:36 očigledno vrlo, vrlo neuki i

4:38 vrlo su glupi i njihova

4:39 propaganda, mislim, to je to

4:42 vjerojatno gotovo nemoguće

4:44 pravdati holokaust i genocid i

4:47 sustavno ubijanje

4:49 žena i djece, ali mislim da je to

4:52 moglo biti učinjeno bolje od toga.

4:55 Ali [smijeh]

4:55 u svakom slučaju, Bože sačuvaj da postanemo

4:58 takvi monstrumi.

5:00 Ja

5:00 >> ne, mislim da se slažem s tobom da je njihova

5:02 njihova propaganda strašna, ali ću

5:04 reći da mislim da je njihova propaganda

5:05 strašna ne zato što su naivni ili

5:09 idioti ili, znate, da nisu

5:11 inteligentni. Mislim da je to zato što

5:13 misle da smo mi toliko glupi. Mislim

5:15 oni [smijeh]

5:17 mislim da to misle

5:18 mi smo toliko glupi

5:20 i oni misle da su toliko glupi

5:21 vjerovat će u ovo.

5:23 Da. Pa, to je onda

5:25 problem koji imaju. A to znači

5:26 da smo zapravo pametniji nego

5:28 što misle. I ne mi, nego

5:31 anti-cionistički Židovi, anti-cionisti

5:33 Kršćani, muslimani,

5:35 >> Ne znam, hindusi, što god. I ja

5:38 mislim da, znate, ljudi širom

5:40 svijeta se bude. Mislim, ja

5:41 sam spomenuo što, znate, što je Max

5:43 Blumenthal govorio o anketi

5:46 o kojoj je pričao. Dakle, to samo pokazuje da to ne

5:48 funkcionira. Ali također mislim da je ovaj rat

5:50 ovaj rat bio veliki preokret. Uh

5:53 pokrenuli su ovaj rat očekujući ili

5:55 nadajući se da poraze Iran unutar nekoliko dana i

5:59 12-dnevni rat prošle godine. Danas je

6:00 obljetnica toga. Ove godine bi to

6:03 prošle godine bio 12-dnevni rat. I, uh

6:06 pogrešno su procijenili. Pogrešno su procijenili

6:08 prošle godine i pogrešno su procijenili ovo

6:10 godinu. A sada je Netanyahu u velikim

6:12 problemima. Prema anketama, otprilike 90%

6:14 Izraelaca vjeruje da su izgubili

6:16 rat protiv Irana. Dakle, ja, ja nisam,

6:20 znate, kada gledam koliko su mladi

6:22 Amerikanci i mladi Židovi u Sjedinjenim

6:26 Državama i kako su ljudi širom svijeta

6:28 okrenuli protiv izraelskog režima,

6:29 postajem mnogo optimističniji u vezi s

6:32 budućnošću. Ne vjerujem da sam naivan.

6:34 Mislim da ćemo imati mračne dane i

6:36 mjesece, a možda i godine koje dolaze i

6:38 vampir se neće predati. Ali vjerujem da

6:41 će doći bolji dani.

6:44 da je osovina otpora

6:47 nada za ovu regiju i mislim da

6:50 ljudi se bude, uh, svjesni onoga što

6:53 osovina otpora radi. Mislim da su

6:55 Sjedinjene Države i Izraelci i

6:57 cionisti i zapadni mediji i njihovi

6:59 znate, think tankovi bili vrlo

7:01 uspješni u demoniziranju Irana i

7:05 Hezbolaha već 47 godina. Iran je bio zlo

7:09 režim, korumpirani, ludi mullahs,

7:13 znate, teokracija, što god to značilo

7:14 znači, uh, despotska, razdiruća,

7:19 nelegitimna, mržena od naroda, sve

7:22 to. I ljudi su to vjerovali. Mislim,

7:24 čak i ljudi koji, znate, koji su bili

7:26 na vašem showu, koji su došli u Iran

7:29 i obično su to vrlo, vrlo

7:31 otvoreni ljudi koji ne vjeruju

7:33 zapadnim medijima, bili bi iznenađeni,

7:36 često vrlo iznenađeni razlikom

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